What’s most telling about the actual vote split is that Trump got about the same number of votes he did in 2020 ( at this moment in the count, actually fewer than in 2020). But Harris got 13 million fewer than Biden. What that doesn’t mean is that Trumpism more popular now than when he lost in 2020. What is does mean is something I can’t figure out.
What’s most telling about the actual vote split is that Trump got about the same number of votes he did in 2020 ( at this moment in the count, actually fewer than in 2020). But Harris got 13 million fewer than Biden. What that doesn’t mean is that Trumpism more popular now than when he lost in 2020. What is does mean is something I can’t figure out.
All very interesting. I think misogyny has a lot to do with it. Perhaps giving people too much credit that it was issues and economy. Trump ran on a negative & hateful agenda. I was hopeful the American people as a whole would wake up and so no to this hate. Sadly, it’s devastating and it played into people’s fears. Maybe those are the non voters. Kamala offered honestly and care. I heard her address the issues. Too many only pay attention to the hate and fear.
Karen, I agree. As I wrote in my last post, Trump/Vance ran an overtly misogynist campaign. I was just trying to think through one element of what happened, in this post. But no question what you describe was consequential.
What I think it means is that Harris was not a strong candidate and did not put forward a coherent political argument. But I don't mean to focus the blame on her. The Democratic party put her in the position she was in because they allowed Biden to run for a second term without putting their thumb on the scale to discourage any meaningful opposition. When Biden's fragility was exposed during his debate with Trump, a fact that must have been well known to elites, Harris was the easy choice for a relpacement, not the best.
Biden was a historically unpopular incumbent president without any real constituancy besides Democratic elites. Always, at best, a mediocre political entity he was given a platform by Obama choosing him as vice president. he was useful in that role but ill equipped for anything greater. How was Harris any different? Why would Democratic voters be motivated to get out to support another candidate with limited politcal appeal and no apparent agenda other than not Trump and promising to continue the agenda of an unpopular incumbet?
I agree. Among other things, Biden and the people around him were sure that his popularity would snap back once the campaign was on for real. That was a profound misjudgement.
What’s most telling about the actual vote split is that Trump got about the same number of votes he did in 2020 ( at this moment in the count, actually fewer than in 2020). But Harris got 13 million fewer than Biden. What that doesn’t mean is that Trumpism more popular now than when he lost in 2020. What is does mean is something I can’t figure out.
All very interesting. I think misogyny has a lot to do with it. Perhaps giving people too much credit that it was issues and economy. Trump ran on a negative & hateful agenda. I was hopeful the American people as a whole would wake up and so no to this hate. Sadly, it’s devastating and it played into people’s fears. Maybe those are the non voters. Kamala offered honestly and care. I heard her address the issues. Too many only pay attention to the hate and fear.
Karen, I agree. As I wrote in my last post, Trump/Vance ran an overtly misogynist campaign. I was just trying to think through one element of what happened, in this post. But no question what you describe was consequential.
Ah, I see. I missed the earlier post.
What I think it means is that Harris was not a strong candidate and did not put forward a coherent political argument. But I don't mean to focus the blame on her. The Democratic party put her in the position she was in because they allowed Biden to run for a second term without putting their thumb on the scale to discourage any meaningful opposition. When Biden's fragility was exposed during his debate with Trump, a fact that must have been well known to elites, Harris was the easy choice for a relpacement, not the best.
Biden was a historically unpopular incumbent president without any real constituancy besides Democratic elites. Always, at best, a mediocre political entity he was given a platform by Obama choosing him as vice president. he was useful in that role but ill equipped for anything greater. How was Harris any different? Why would Democratic voters be motivated to get out to support another candidate with limited politcal appeal and no apparent agenda other than not Trump and promising to continue the agenda of an unpopular incumbet?
I agree. Among other things, Biden and the people around him were sure that his popularity would snap back once the campaign was on for real. That was a profound misjudgement.
Yes, that's going to bear serious examination.